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see more in the last year than leads jackson head of the epa who is a fantastic administrator. >> rose: you said the national debt problem is a medicare problem. what should we do now about healthcare? >> well, i have my own preferred approach which i have no confidence in. which is the premium support approach that basically is mitt romney. but say if romney loses there's still another approach proposed by people like emanuel and others like getting rid of the two four sursist system. as long as we're paying for quantity and not quality and as long as people are fang end of lynchers that's a moral conversation. it's not the people dying who wants to spend all their dollars on hip replacement in their 90's it's the other people who don't want to have that unpleasant feeling of guilt. for those two issues, those are the two core issues to keep the country solvent, whether you believe in a big government or small government if you can't keep it solvent it doesn't farther. >> the other big piece of that is you've got to get the consumer involved. i have a trick i do, how many of yohow mu
? >> it pales in comparison. i remember jesse jackson sr. weeping there. i mean that was a once in a lifetime historical moment. >> ifill: i've heard many obama supporters say that re-electing the president was re-electing the president was even more important than electing him. >> you can't get to the second without the first. the first was a universal. >> woodruff: to interrupt you quickly to say we've just learned that governor romney is on his way to the convention center in boston. of course we'll take that. >> sure. i just think beyond the support of barack obama it was an afrming moment for america. it really was. >> ifill: and this is? this is an affirming moment for barack obama. and his supporters and the campaign. what he's trieded to do and what he wants to try to do but it isn't the same cosmic global emotional... >> woodruff: when you think about it, a year ago, six months ago, nine months ago, the over overwhelming prediction was this president could be beaten. this president was facing, and a year-and-a-half ago you look at any number of intervals over the last year or two, th
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